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I Enlisted the Marine Corps under the

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delayed entry program in July of 1994.

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and I graduated Mount Tabor high school

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and went to Salem North Carolina

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on in June of 1995.

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and I I enlisted of course you know

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delayed entry a year so I went to boot

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camp on the 18th of June Sunday

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I went to boot camp I graduated eight

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September of 95 and from there my MOS

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was 0.311 which was a grunt

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and from there I went to school of

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infantry training at Camp Geiger

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in late September of 95

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I did not complete training because I

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was injured and I hurt my back and I was

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sent to uh the the the uh the medical

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platoon there on the on Camp Geiger

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North Carolina which is adjacent to a

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campus Union and I was there I don't

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know for about a month or two months and

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in January January late January of 96 I

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was giving new orders and giving a new

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MOS military occupational skill

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our listing is 7212 Stinger Avenger

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Gunner and subsequently uh given 10 days

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leave and then sent to Fort Bliss at El

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Paso Texas

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so I was in training for to be a air

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defense Gunner on the fim 90 92 Alpha

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stinger missile it's a surface deer

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missile and the Avenger weapon system

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which is a pedestal and a turret with uh

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with eight Stingers amount on the back

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of a Humvee and I was in training for

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February to uh late May of 96. and then

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after graduating from that school I was

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reassigned my first Duty station uh a

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second Marine Air Wing uh 28th Marine

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air control group second low altitude

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air defensive Italian Shreveport North

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Carolina

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well then I was assigned a battery B

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uh and uh in June of that of 96 and I

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went on several Ops in operations we

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call them Ops for short and uh basically

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I was there and then I was transferred

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over to uh the section for laser strike

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in February of 97.

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after going to weapons attacked his

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instructor uh uh uh 197 in Yuma Arizona

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when I got back I was asked if I wanted

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to go and I said sure So I volunteered

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and I was sent to the section and we

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shipped out in May well excuse me of

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March excuse me of that that uh that

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year we were sent there to uh provide

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perimeter security to this radar

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installation basically these radar

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station was tracking supposedly drug

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aircraft that were exiting in and out of

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Peru and Bolivian airspace basically

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what we were doing there you know we had

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live ammo and weapons and one day

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uh Sergeant Allen and uh

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and uh the other the other surgeon and

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I'll remember his name soon Sergeant

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Adkins

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they were and sergeant montelegra and he

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was uh he was a staff sergeant E7 all

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right I mean excuse me E6 the other guys

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were E5 sergeant and uh they they came

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to us and said look you know we got we

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got a situation where we we have one an

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aircraft crash that's possibly friendly

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and they need us to go and secure the

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crash site

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and we're like fine said well this is

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early this is late at night I'm about 11

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or 12 at night and I was on guard Duty

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that night so I was already up and it

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was my shift we have 12-hour shifts 12

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on 12 off

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and where we where we rotate the the our

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section uh so we all went out that night

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we got up I don't know three or four in

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the morning and headed out and Humvees

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we had about five or six Hummers and we

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drove

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to where we needed to go and then we

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from there you know we had to hunt

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through the bush

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so we got there I don't know six seven

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just just one Dale I had just just

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started to get light

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and uh well we found the area really

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easy because there was a there was a

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huge gash in the land where where

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something had crashed and it

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it didn't break anything you know you

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know I don't know if you've ever been to

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a crash site where you know you had you

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know trees you know just broken like

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like in half everything was burned and

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it was like like if you had almost cut

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like a warm butter with a knife I mean

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it was just it's like it's it's like

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something on fire or had entered or some

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kind of energy like a laser almost had

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had like gutted I mean it was really

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strange and anyway I was I was in the

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front with Sergeant Allen Sergeant

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Atkins we were up front

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and we were we were Point basically and

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we were like I don't know 10 20 meters

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ahead of everyone else we had we all had

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maps and radios and Compasses so we knew

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so we wouldn't get lost

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and basically we were the first ones to

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see the object and basically what

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happened is we didn't go straight up the

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hill because basically this thing went

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up the hill and then off into the side

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of of of the Ravine of the ridge this is

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about a 200 foot Ridge at least solid

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Granite I mean it's rock I don't know if

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it's green it was buried in the side of

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the cliff

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but anyway we didn't go straight up we

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went to the to the on to the left and

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walked up to the top of the Ridge and

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that's when we saw the craft this is a

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huge ship and you know I used to be in

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the Sci-Fi movies when I was a kid but

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this is nothing like I'd ever seen

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and when I first saw it you know I was

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scared it scared at the end of the heck

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out of him you know I didn't know what

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to do and and it was just I was really

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it was really confusing so we I went we

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all climbed down and um it was it was

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buried for about a 45 degree angle and

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into the side of the uh into this into

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the side of the the cliff there the the

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ridge

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and I mean this is steep Cliff I mean

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it's straight up and down and uh

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it was Dripping this serp-like uh like

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surf viscosity this liquid uh it was

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everywhere all down everywhere when we

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went down there because there were

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plants and everything it was it was

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weird it was a a purplish green color

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and it was it was a greenish purple and

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it kind of like like fluctuated like you

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couldn't really when you you'd look at

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it one time and you look at again and it

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would like it's almost like I don't know

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if it was like alive and it was just

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changing but every time you looked at it

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you saw a different shade of greenish

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purple this is strange

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there was a there was one light on it

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that slowly went around and it and the

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Machine I could hear it I could hear I

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guess because it was still functioning

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and it had like a like a hum to it like

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like a really bass like say if you

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unplugged an ant from a guitar that kind

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of you know it was really really you

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know it was really deep

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and it kind of fluctuated and then

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finally it just cut off and everything

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just seemed to stop

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except the colors and the shades and it

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was still that way uh when I was looking

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at the craft it was buried so I could

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see the back of it and there were these

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large vents well they look like vents

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sort of like a fish gill on the back I

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couldn't see around the other side and I

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guess I'm assuming it was the same way

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on the other side

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that look like I don't know that they

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could that could have been used for

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propulsion I'm not sure uh uh again this

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this this liquid that had come out of

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the ship was it got all my Camis and you

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know it it discolored them and ate them

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almost like acid and then ate some of

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the skin off excuse me the hair off my

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arms and it was and I didn't know that

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until later on

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but basically when I was down there with

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the ship

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there was three holes I guess I'd assume

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that they were hatches but I I there's

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no way to tell they were not flush with

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the uh with with the body the main body

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of The Craft there I don't know a few

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inches below

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I knew there was one on top because you

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could slightly see it I don't know about

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the other side but there was another

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hatch the same same width and diameter

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or whatever of the top hatch and it was

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kind of crooked to the side and it was

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half open

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and I didn't see any lights or anything

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coming out of it but I felt this

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presence

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that it's real strange I guess it was

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almost like I think the Creon I told

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Leslie this I thought the creatures were

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they conned me and it was like weird and

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they were I think they were trying to

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communicate with me like I guess

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telepathically it's really weird and I

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don't believe in in any of that stuff

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but in any way it was I could I could

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hear like

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and it was terrible because it kept

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going and it still comes and goes it's

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like basically sitting in your car and

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turning on like an AM station that's not

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that you know it's just white noise and

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it's turning up really high and that's

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what I heard when I when I first got in

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there this is pretty crude

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two-dimensional drawing but this is

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jungle here and this is the craft and it

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was embedded uh in in the in in the Rock

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like this and I I'm not sure if this

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tapered off or how it went but these

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right here are the hatches these two

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objects here this one was the one that

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was half open

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and you could see into it but I mean it

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was just black it was like looking into

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a closet 10 meters in width and about 20

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meters in length I'm just not sure it's

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just an estimate from what I remember

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but it was huge

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I mean it was Big Man

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and it was shaped like almost like

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between an egg and like a teardrop

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almost

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and it was really it looked really

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aerodynamic

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at least in the shade but the closer I I

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was close enough to take out detail on

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it that every it was not just smooth

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there was there was you know there was

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bumps and you know notches and things in

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it it was really organic

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it was almost like art

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I I that that's really how you would it

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looked like something that that somebody

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made in a shop you know

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it didn't have that clunkiness or that

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that that tin can you know kind of deal

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it was more of a it was more of art I

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would I would say look to be that it was

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it could have been handmade but you know

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out of what and what materials I don't

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know definitely not nothing like nothing

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like titanium it wasn't it see this is

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the whole thing it looked metal but it

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didn't it didn't have any reflection on

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it man I mean you know the the sun's

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coming down and if you got something

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made a metal regardless of it I mean

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maybe if it's subdued with paint and

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it's got a cami sheam on it you know

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you're not going to see any reflection

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but you know I could see the different

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the different shades of The Craft they

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didn't shine it just like it was it

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didn't reflect anything and and I

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guarantee if I threw like a flashlight

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well the creatures I think were calling

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me to help them everything was going to

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be all right then I was so mesmerizing

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into it and you know Sergeant Allen and

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Atkins they're hollering their cousin I

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mean you know get the hell out of there

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why well I think that why they I think

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that they were scared and they didn't

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want me to get hurt I don't I don't know

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and they're real pissed off at me after

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subsequently but uh basically what

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happened was uh

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after we climbed back up the the I think

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the doe Department of energy people were

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there they knew about it and I don't

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know why we went there

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still to this day but anyway I was

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arrested

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I had all my gear taken from me by men

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and black hammies had new new name tags

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they were older men probably in their

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late 30s or 40s how long was I at the

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site uh probably about 15 20 minutes we

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were the first people on this on the on

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the position yeah and then shortly you

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said there were other people right there

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were other people I guess they were

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government I don't know

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they were there they had containment

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suits and they they had guys they they

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had a position that that was that looked

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like I don't know if it was already

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there or there was some Gap in the

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jungle where they landed two CH 47

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Chinooks their army uh twin rotor uh you

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know helicopters and they're big and

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they had guys coming out in these

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containment suits they must have just

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got there I don't know while we were

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down on the gorge because when we

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climbed up there those guys were and

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then well there were the guys in the

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black cammies

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and then they took me they put me on a

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cot that they had and they had me uh

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cuffed with those uh they had me cuff

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both hands down and then they had my uh

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my my legs tied together with this those

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uh plastic Fasteners that the police use

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I don't know you know they're like kind

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of like cuffs and then they took me in

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the ch47 and they they sent me to we we

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took off and and uh and uh they they

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didn't drug me or anything like that and

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I was just awake there and that they

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explained why they were treating you

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this way no no they said that you know

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that that that was they were cussing at

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me saying that I was a dumb [\h__\h] and

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that why don't you why don't you [\h__\h]

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people ever you know pay attention to

342
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orders and you weren't supposed to be

343
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there and you're not supposed to see

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this and you know you're going to be

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dangerous if we let you go and all this

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stuff you know I mean I thought I

347
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thought they were going to kill me for

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about two days I think

349
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and uh they had a tenant colonel from

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the Air Force

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and he did not I identify himself he

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might have I just don't remember

353
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and he told me you know you know you

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know if we just uh took you out in the

355
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jungle you know they'd never find you

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out there and I'm like well and you know

357
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I didn't want to say you know you know I

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didn't want to test them to see if you'd

359
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really do that sussing yeah I mean he's

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like you got to sign these papers and

361
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you never saw this and I don't exist and

362
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this situation never happened and if you

363
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tell anybody uh you know you'll just

364
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come up missing and he was a real

365
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abrasive just just just a cynical uh

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[\h__\h] I guess the best way to put it

367
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it was I was at the same installation

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but they had me segregated with Air

369
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Force personnel for like three weeks and

370
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then after that I was sent back

371
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approximately all I saw there was

372
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Americans and there's a lot of other

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nationalities there are Chinese Germans

374
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I think were there I mean a lot of other

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people were at this other base

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but I mean this thing it was really I

377
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mean I didn't go in and all they did was

378
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take me to like a like a

379
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you couldn't call it a cell it was more

380
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of like uh

381
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it was more like an interrogation room

382
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and I sat in there for I don't know 15

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hours of those guys with the with the

384
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light I mean they put this light in my

385
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face and they were yelling at me

386
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and I couldn't really relatively

387
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identify any of these guys but I knew I

388
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knew that I knew one of them was at the

389
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at the crash site because they were one

390
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of the guys that I recognized because he

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was in uh black fatigues and he was like

392
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what'd you see and he's like yeah he's

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like growing you know he goes are you a

394
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patriot you like the Constitution I'm

395
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like yeah and he's like well we know we

396
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do it you know we're on our own program

397
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you know we don't obey we just do what

398
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we want and he's like yeah and they're

399
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like and they're growling and they're

400
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relishing you know and they're yelling

401
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at me and they're they're hollering and

402
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cursing and you didn't see anything you

403
00:15:15,290 --> 00:15:13,500
know and we'll do you and your whole

404
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goddamn family and they're they're you

405
00:15:19,189 --> 00:15:16,980
know it was it was basically that for

406
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about eight or nine hours I mean they

407
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took breaks they were like look man

408
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we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna just

409
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we're gonna take you off in a

410
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helicopters kick your ass out out in the

411
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jungle and you're just gonna you're

412
00:15:31,970 --> 00:15:29,639
gonna you know we're gonna end you and

413
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all this and they didn't physically they

414
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didn't physically put their hands on me

415
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but I was sitting in a chair and I was

416
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handcuffed at the chair and I couldn't

417
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move

418
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so basically you know it was just this

419
00:15:43,490 --> 00:15:41,760
this like harassment I didn't need

420
00:15:46,009 --> 00:15:43,500
anything for like a whole day

421
00:15:47,509 --> 00:15:46,019
no water no nothing I just sat there my

422
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section was about eight eight to ten

423
00:15:51,769 --> 00:15:50,100
guys and they all saw it no I know just

424
00:15:53,689 --> 00:15:51,779
me and Sergeant Allen and Sergeant

425
00:15:55,730 --> 00:15:53,699
Adkins we're the only ones that saw it

426
00:15:57,889 --> 00:15:55,740
now they saw the crash and well at least

427
00:15:59,509 --> 00:15:57,899
you know the the jungle where it came

428
00:16:01,129 --> 00:15:59,519
through they saw all that but they

429
00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:01,139
didn't go into the ridge because like I

430
00:16:06,170 --> 00:16:03,360
said we were 10 to 20 meters in front of

431
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them and they radio just you know to

432
00:16:10,550 --> 00:16:07,980
Hall that we found and everything's fine

433
00:16:14,629 --> 00:16:10,560
I was in it was in late March early

434
00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:14,639
April of 97. so we're talking like when

435
00:16:18,889 --> 00:16:16,320
I got back you know I approached

436
00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:18,899
Sergeant Allen about it because of

437
00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:20,880
course he's married he's got like a one

438
00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:23,040
or two kids and I went to his house on

439
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the on base housing and he got all upset

440
00:16:28,790 --> 00:16:27,300
and threw me out of his house said he

441
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didn't want to talk about it

442
00:16:33,410 --> 00:16:30,600
and I mean they scared I guess they

443
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scared those guys too man and see I mean

444
00:16:36,350 --> 00:16:34,740
you gotta understand you know I can't

445
00:16:38,389 --> 00:16:36,360
speak for the rest of the armed service

446
00:16:40,430 --> 00:16:38,399
but the Marine Corps everything's it's

447
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you know it's monolithic

448
00:16:43,850 --> 00:16:42,420
and uh when they're told to do something

449
00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:43,860
they're gonna they're gonna do it and

450
00:16:47,629 --> 00:16:45,360
and if you don't want to go along

451
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they'll just they'll they'll basically

452
00:16:52,009 --> 00:16:49,560
or railroad you I didn't want to keep my

453
00:16:53,930 --> 00:16:52,019
mouth shut about it and I told my first

454
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Sergeant First Sergeant Powell I told

455
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him about it and I don't even know if I

456
00:16:59,810 --> 00:16:57,720
don't think he's still there anymore I

457
00:17:02,329 --> 00:16:59,820
mean we're talking three years ago

458
00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:02,339
so uh yes there was life forms in the

459
00:17:07,309 --> 00:17:05,280
ship I and I could that they were it's

460
00:17:09,409 --> 00:17:07,319
almost like if someone was like reading

461
00:17:12,650 --> 00:17:09,419
your mind and that's the way it felt and

462
00:17:15,470 --> 00:17:12,660
I felt like I felt a presence this is

463
00:17:16,909 --> 00:17:15,480
like Supernatural I knew it was no

464
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debris that I saw

465
00:17:22,669 --> 00:17:19,140
but there were big gashes in the in

466
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their in the in the rear of the of the

467
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aircraft and uh what I looked what it

468
00:17:28,970 --> 00:17:27,000
looked like is it had been hit with

469
00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:28,980
maybe a service deer missile

470
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uh there were a couple Hawk batteries

471
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and that's homing all the way killer

472
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that's a low to medium uh surfaced air

473
00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:39,480
any any aircraft missile basically it

474
00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:41,280
doesn't have to hit the target in order

475
00:17:45,950 --> 00:17:43,740
to destroy the target what it does is it

476
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gets in proximity of it and it's it has

477
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a high explosive fragmentation Warhead

478
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and it basically explodes like a big

479
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shotgun in the vicinity of the of the uh

480
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the targeted area and and by

481
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fragmentation it's supposed to destroy

482
00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:02,100
the Target or or end or damage it so it

483
00:18:07,130 --> 00:18:04,080
won't be able to continue its mission

484
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so I think we shot it down this is what

485
00:18:11,930 --> 00:18:09,900
I think happened is we shot it down the

486
00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:11,940
Peruvian shot it down

487
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:14,880
the other guys knew it was flying I knew

488
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:17,280
these these aircraft were flying because

489
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I had been in the command center there

490
00:18:23,930 --> 00:18:21,960
at the radar installation and and and I

491
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:23,940
heard a couple women there in the Air

492
00:18:28,669 --> 00:18:26,880
Force talking about aircraft uh flying

493
00:18:29,570 --> 00:18:28,679
in and out of the atmosphere at mach 10

494
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:29,580
plus

495
00:18:32,690 --> 00:18:31,440
so these aircraft are flying around

496
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there you know they're you know they're

497
00:18:37,070 --> 00:18:34,620
re-entering the atmosphere or whatever

498
00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:37,080
and you know I believe that the higher

499
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ups knew it was fun in the area and

500
00:18:42,770 --> 00:18:41,520
these were these large vents they looked

501
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:42,780
like they went into the craft but I

502
00:18:46,010 --> 00:18:44,880
could I couldn't tell but I mean it was

503
00:18:47,630 --> 00:18:46,020
a shadow

504
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that was the only thing that really cast

505
00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:49,740
a shadow the rest of this well this is

506
00:18:55,310 --> 00:18:53,280
another thing was these vents cast to

507
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The Shadow where you could see where

508
00:18:58,610 --> 00:18:56,640
there wasn't light

509
00:19:00,830 --> 00:18:58,620
but the Sun was shining right on the

510
00:19:02,450 --> 00:19:00,840
object and it didn't cast a shadow not

511
00:19:04,669 --> 00:19:02,460
on anything and it was like kind of like

512
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:04,679
absorbing the light it was weird this is

513
00:19:08,090 --> 00:19:06,720
not one of ours because you know I'm you

514
00:19:09,650 --> 00:19:08,100
know in Stinger school they teach you

515
00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:09,660
about all different kinds of aircraft

516
00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:12,240
and stuff like that and I knew I knew a

517
00:19:16,610 --> 00:19:14,400
lot of aircraft anyway because I I like

518
00:19:18,289 --> 00:19:16,620
I like reading about aircraft and data

519
00:19:20,029 --> 00:19:18,299
and that stuff and uh well essentially

520
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:20,039
when I saw it I'm like man this is not

521
00:19:25,370 --> 00:19:22,080
this is nothing that I knew of okay

522
00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:25,380
basically the radar was was sitting and

523
00:19:29,810 --> 00:19:28,260
this was again on a hill it's camied up

524
00:19:32,029 --> 00:19:29,820
and you know it rotates and everything

525
00:19:33,650 --> 00:19:32,039
and there's a command bunker that was

526
00:19:36,110 --> 00:19:33,660
built under the under the under the

527
00:19:37,789 --> 00:19:36,120
Earth and I mean it looks like Star Wars

528
00:19:39,710 --> 00:19:37,799
in there and I mean it's it's total

529
00:19:41,930 --> 00:19:39,720
air-conditioned I mean it's really nice

530
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:41,940
and there's like computers and they got

531
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:44,160
the the the you know the control panels

532
00:19:47,330 --> 00:19:45,600
and everything that control The Radars

533
00:19:48,770 --> 00:19:47,340
and they're I guess they're linked to

534
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:48,780
other sites you know and they get other

535
00:19:54,110 --> 00:19:51,840
data coming in and well we had guard

536
00:19:55,490 --> 00:19:54,120
Duty and I and the night that this

537
00:19:57,409 --> 00:19:55,500
happened

538
00:19:59,330 --> 00:19:57,419
this was in the early evening and it was

539
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,340
my shift and I was in there

540
00:20:02,570 --> 00:20:01,200
and I was checking people going in and

541
00:20:04,970 --> 00:20:02,580
out you know they got ID you know

542
00:20:06,830 --> 00:20:04,980
checking out whatever

543
00:20:08,510 --> 00:20:06,840
so like these two girls they come

544
00:20:10,490 --> 00:20:08,520
walking out and they're talking about

545
00:20:12,350 --> 00:20:10,500
well we got these aircraft flying again

546
00:20:13,490 --> 00:20:12,360
and the other girl says yeah you know

547
00:20:16,130 --> 00:20:13,500
they're coming in and out of the

548
00:20:18,350 --> 00:20:16,140
atmosphere but he came in there and

549
00:20:20,690 --> 00:20:18,360
he told me to come back with them and we

550
00:20:22,669 --> 00:20:20,700
go back there and and he goes I want the

551
00:20:25,010 --> 00:20:22,679
logs because they log all these fights

552
00:20:26,930 --> 00:20:25,020
coming in you know they're bearing what

553
00:20:27,650 --> 00:20:26,940
they are what code they're squawking all

554
00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:27,660
that

555
00:20:32,450 --> 00:20:30,000
so he gets the books and I had to sign

556
00:20:34,850 --> 00:20:32,460
off for him to take all that I mean when

557
00:20:36,289 --> 00:20:34,860
you got when you got objects that are

558
00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:36,299
re-entering the atmosphere and then

559
00:20:40,370 --> 00:20:38,580
stopping on a dime and then turning

560
00:20:41,450 --> 00:20:40,380
around and going exactly the opposite

561
00:20:44,090 --> 00:20:41,460
direction you know that's kind of

562
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:44,100
strange meteors don't do that

563
00:20:47,150 --> 00:20:45,840
now is this something that was rare or

564
00:20:48,529 --> 00:20:47,160
something that was happening oh this

565
00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:48,539
this happened all the time there's like

566
00:20:52,610 --> 00:20:50,580
three or four incidents where I was Duty

567
00:20:55,370 --> 00:20:52,620
there that the same uh the same Air

568
00:20:57,169 --> 00:20:55,380
Force officer came in there to get books

569
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:57,179
and do you think these were tracked on

570
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:00,480
Radars yeah these were tracked from this

571
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,360
particular radar that were logged in

572
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:05,280
the reason I I guess the reason they

573
00:21:08,270 --> 00:21:06,480
were taking them is they didn't want

574
00:21:10,669 --> 00:21:08,280
people to know that they're tracking

575
00:21:13,370 --> 00:21:10,679
these aircraft I guess I mean again this

576
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,380
I'm just assuming that so

577
00:21:16,190 --> 00:21:15,360
yeah I think they knew it was coming in

578
00:21:18,169 --> 00:21:16,200
and

579
00:21:20,810 --> 00:21:18,179
they said we can't identify it it's

580
00:21:22,909 --> 00:21:20,820
violating airspace so they could have

581
00:21:24,529 --> 00:21:22,919
radioed the Peruvian said take them out

582
00:21:26,570 --> 00:21:24,539
and then they shot it down I was

583
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:26,580
confident that when I saw the the

584
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:29,520
aircraft it had been hit by something

585
00:21:33,649 --> 00:21:31,440
something that had that had took it out

586
00:21:36,890 --> 00:21:33,659
they were scared and it was the

587
00:21:38,750 --> 00:21:36,900
apprehension the fear and then that they

588
00:21:40,850 --> 00:21:38,760
that they were not here to harm us

589
00:21:42,590 --> 00:21:40,860
that's really what what it felt like and

590
00:21:44,690 --> 00:21:42,600
I mean that's not that's not my own

591
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,700
emotions I've seen the creatures in my

592
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,320
in my thoughts

593
00:21:51,649 --> 00:21:49,440
and I've seen I've and I I saw them what

594
00:21:54,049 --> 00:21:51,659
they look like oval Egghead with big

595
00:21:56,990 --> 00:21:54,059
dark eyes big eyes

596
00:21:58,610 --> 00:21:57,000
a nose and a small mouth New Years

597
00:22:00,649 --> 00:21:58,620
and they were projecting that they

598
00:22:02,690 --> 00:22:00,659
weren't here they were here

599
00:22:04,909 --> 00:22:02,700
they were here they weren't here you

600
00:22:06,409 --> 00:22:04,919
know they weren't going to harm me

601
00:22:07,970 --> 00:22:06,419
and that was basically that everything

602
00:22:09,770 --> 00:22:07,980
is going to be all right just helped me

603
00:22:12,409 --> 00:22:09,780
get just helped us get out of here

604
00:22:14,810 --> 00:22:12,419
I think there I don't I don't know how

605
00:22:16,370 --> 00:22:14,820
many were on the craft you have to sense

606
00:22:17,450 --> 00:22:16,380
more than one yeah definitely more than

607
00:22:22,370 --> 00:22:17,460
one

608
00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:24,890
did I think it was organic and Alive

609
00:22:33,470 --> 00:22:29,100
yeah yeah I think that uh I think uh

610
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:33,480
that that whole craft it's kind of like

611
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:36,000
it's almost like if you had an extension

612
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:37,679
like your arm or your leg

613
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:40,559
and I think the way they can I mean this

614
00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:43,440
is just for thinking about it that that

615
00:22:48,289 --> 00:22:45,720
the way they control the craft is with

616
00:22:50,090 --> 00:22:48,299
their thoughts and they have new buttons

617
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:50,100
or anything they push it's not from

618
00:22:52,970 --> 00:22:51,360
Earth

619
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:52,980
and I mean I knew that when I looked at

620
00:22:56,570 --> 00:22:54,720
it you know I mean I'm not doing this to

621
00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:56,580
make money or or publicity or anything

622
00:23:00,049 --> 00:22:58,380
but I think it needs to be told I think

623
00:23:01,970 --> 00:23:00,059
people need to hear it whether they

624
00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:01,980
agree with me or not is is a new

625
00:23:07,070 --> 00:23:04,740
consequence their cover was there to

626
00:23:10,370 --> 00:23:07,080
track uh to track drug aircraft I I

627
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:10,380
think I I don't know but from what I

628
00:23:13,130 --> 00:23:11,760
understand that they were doing a whole

629
00:23:14,210 --> 00:23:13,140
lot more than just tracking drug

630
00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:14,220
aircraft

631
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,640
I mean they had a Blazer range finders

632
00:23:21,049 --> 00:23:19,679
and all kinds of high-tech stuff that

633
00:23:22,730 --> 00:23:21,059
I've never seen before

634
00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:22,740
and I couldn't really explain I knew

635
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,260
that there was a couple lrfs there I

636
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:27,120
don't know what their lrf Laser

637
00:23:31,789 --> 00:23:29,340
Rangefinder I don't know what they had

638
00:23:33,529 --> 00:23:31,799
to do there but they were huge man look

639
00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:33,539
like big telescopes but they had them in

640
00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:35,880
a bunker and they was able to rise up

641
00:23:39,470 --> 00:23:37,740
and they can just zoom around and I saw

642
00:23:41,810 --> 00:23:39,480
them do I mean just a bunch of weird

643
00:23:43,490 --> 00:23:41,820
stuff and then not even that we had like

644
00:23:46,430 --> 00:23:43,500
a live fire shooting the jungle and

645
00:23:48,529 --> 00:23:46,440
there was Green Berets Army Airborne I

646
00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:48,539
mean a bunch of these spec ops guys a

647
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:50,580
Delta Force there you know the murders

648
00:23:54,770 --> 00:23:53,520
that Waco were there you know so you

649
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,780
know all these you know all these guys

650
00:23:58,370 --> 00:23:56,880
out there I mean the Chinese Chinese are

651
00:24:00,169 --> 00:23:58,380
there you know they're out there

652
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:00,179
training man and we're they're training

653
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,400
the peruvians too so it's weird man

654
00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:05,039
weird situation oh this is definitely

655
00:24:12,409 --> 00:24:08,340
something like NATO or some multi uh

656
00:24:13,789 --> 00:24:12,419
multinational deal and what I I keep you

657
00:24:15,289 --> 00:24:13,799
know I keep going back and really

658
00:24:17,390 --> 00:24:15,299
thinking about that why are all these

659
00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:17,400
guys here you know why would the Chinese

660
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:20,340
be concerned with drugs being smuggled

661
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:22,799
or you know or any kind of drug

662
00:24:27,169 --> 00:24:25,200
paraphernalia being smuggled into the

663
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,179
states I mean personally I mean I know

664
00:24:32,090 --> 00:24:30,000
for a fact that I our government are the

665
00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:32,100
ones that are importing drugs

666
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:34,440
I mean there I mean there's there's I

667
00:24:39,169 --> 00:24:37,200
mean but the fact uh do I think that

668
00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:39,179
that this this Command Center I think it

669
00:24:43,010 --> 00:24:40,740
was permanent I think it's been in

670
00:24:45,950 --> 00:24:43,020
operation for a while they had the big D

671
00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:45,960
you know Delta Oscar echo on the back of

672
00:24:51,289 --> 00:24:47,880
their back and a couple the guys were

673
00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:51,299
wearing like these uh these rain jackets

674
00:24:55,549 --> 00:24:53,400
because it had been raining the fall the

675
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,559
previous day and they were in there and

676
00:24:59,450 --> 00:24:56,880
there were other guys that were wearing

677
00:25:01,070 --> 00:24:59,460
containment like biological suits it

678
00:25:03,230 --> 00:25:01,080
wasn't like that it was more high-tech

679
00:25:05,149 --> 00:25:03,240
like those big jumpsuits that you zip up

680
00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:05,159
the back and you can like wear a

681
00:25:09,890 --> 00:25:07,380
breathing apparatus in there those guys

682
00:25:12,049 --> 00:25:09,900
there was about 30 of them at least and

683
00:25:14,210 --> 00:25:12,059
they marched right by me as I was as I

684
00:25:16,190 --> 00:25:14,220
was being taken away they were marching

685
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:16,200
to get down into the cliff I guess they

686
00:25:19,130 --> 00:25:17,520
were in there to check this thing out

687
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:19,140
what do I think happened I think they

688
00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:20,580
went in there and they took everything

689
00:25:24,769 --> 00:25:22,440
out and they shipped it back home I

690
00:25:26,330 --> 00:25:24,779
think the behavior the people yeah it

691
00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:26,340
was definitely it was this is routine

692
00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:28,260
man I mean these guys were squared away

693
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,940
they know exactly what they're doing

694
00:25:33,649 --> 00:25:31,440
they've been trained to do this stuff

695
00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:33,659
before that was the atmosphere the total

696
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:37,080
professional cold uh unassuming uh

697
00:25:40,850 --> 00:25:38,640
nature you know it's just you know we're

698
00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:40,860
here to do a job and you get the [\h__\h]

699
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,419
out of our ways is basically that

700
00:25:46,190 --> 00:25:44,400
attitude I was raised in a Christian

701
00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:46,200
home to believe that there was a God and

702
00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:48,360
that he created everything you know the

703
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:51,059
universe and here they are these these

704
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,320
creatures that I've never seen before

705
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,720
never come in contact with and this

706
00:25:58,970 --> 00:25:56,400
happens man and it just it made me go

707
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,980
almost crazy you know not like suicidal

708
00:26:02,930 --> 00:26:00,480
but I just couldn't

709
00:26:04,669 --> 00:26:02,940
I had to like reevaluate everything that

710
00:26:06,049 --> 00:26:04,679
I knew it's sort of like when you're a

711
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,059
kid you know you've been told Santa

712
00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:09,120
Claus is is you know real and then you

713
00:26:12,769 --> 00:26:10,620
find out that he's really not and the

714
00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:12,779
Tooth Fairy you know it's like now that

715
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,520
you know there's new going back there's

716
00:26:18,350 --> 00:26:16,799
like no there's no denial there's no

717
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:18,360
saying well you know this is you know I

718
00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:19,679
didn't really see this and and I

719
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,760
couldn't really deal with it you know it

720
00:26:24,769 --> 00:26:22,799
was that is that what do I do you know

721
00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:24,779
do I tell people but I mean who's going

722
00:26:28,909 --> 00:26:27,179
to believe that that that that Alliance

723
00:26:30,110 --> 00:26:28,919
Corporal I mean or in the Marine Corps

724
00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:30,120
in the middle of the [\h__\h] jungle is

725
00:26:33,289 --> 00:26:31,860
going to see an aircraft like this it's

726
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:33,299
more like I was sitting there watching

727
00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:35,760
like like a film like I was sitting and

728
00:26:39,769 --> 00:26:37,980
I was watching what was happening and I

729
00:26:41,149 --> 00:26:39,779
was uh I was basically you know with

730
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:41,159
these aliens

731
00:26:45,289 --> 00:26:42,960
these creatures and they were touching

732
00:26:47,690 --> 00:26:45,299
me you know not not like sexually or

733
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,700
with uh instruments or anything uh they

734
00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:49,440
were holding my hands and they had their

735
00:26:53,149 --> 00:26:51,900
hands on me they only had four fingers

736
00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:53,159
by the way

737
00:26:57,409 --> 00:26:54,840
what feeling did you get

738
00:26:58,970 --> 00:26:57,419
I was a warm Like Loving Feeling like

739
00:27:01,310 --> 00:26:58,980
like you would have if you were with a

740
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,320
family these creatures are like I guess

741
00:27:04,669 --> 00:27:03,600
you could probably the closest thing I

742
00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:04,679
could say that they were like almost

743
00:27:09,049 --> 00:27:07,740
like angels and if if I had to I'd go

744
00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:09,059
with them right now

745
00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:12,900
I I mean I'd get I I I I want and I had

746
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,480
this obsession with that you know I

747
00:27:19,549 --> 00:27:18,000
guess it was I guess because the pain of

748
00:27:21,649 --> 00:27:19,559
the experience and then the Marine Corps

749
00:27:24,529 --> 00:27:21,659
that I just wanted to escape you know

750
00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:24,539
and and I I was thinking about you know

751
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,100
being with these creatures a lot and

752
00:27:30,169 --> 00:27:28,320
wanting to go with them and wanting to

753
00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:30,179
get out of here because these different

754
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:32,940
agencies are just on their own they they

755
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,220
don't obey the law they they're just a

756
00:27:39,529 --> 00:27:37,200
rogue you know they're just they're just

757
00:27:41,810 --> 00:27:39,539
off on their own I don't do I think this

758
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,820
is a project that goes up through the

759
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:43,440
government and everyone has a piece in

760
00:27:48,289 --> 00:27:46,740
it uh no I think these guys just operate

761
00:27:50,529 --> 00:27:48,299
on their own no one knows what they do

762
00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:50,539
these guys they're just off on their own

763
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,580
uh there's no oversight no control they

764
00:27:57,289 --> 00:27:55,679
just do whatever they want they don't I

765
00:28:00,049 --> 00:27:57,299
mean and they're evil man these people

766
00:28:02,330 --> 00:28:00,059
are evil you know do I think it goes to

767
00:28:03,890 --> 00:28:02,340
Bill Clinton and to the Congress there

768
00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:03,900
may be guys up there that know about it

769
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,460
they're not going to say anything man

770
00:28:08,810 --> 00:28:06,960
they say anything you know they're

771
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:08,820
through you know for those of you don't

772
00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:13,200
know I knew I knew Marine snipers that I

773
00:28:18,890 --> 00:28:16,140
now I've heard other guys talk about it

774
00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:18,900
and and uh I've heard that that these

775
00:28:22,490 --> 00:28:20,340
guys you know they go on the streets and

776
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,500
they stalk people and they kill them I

777
00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:24,000
knew that Air Force I knew that excuse

778
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:25,980
me that Army Airborne snipers do the

779
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,460
same thing they use Delta Force to uh to

780
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:31,440
go to go grab these people and silence

781
00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:34,559
them by killing them uh and maybe

782
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:36,600
something else ought to tell and well

783
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,600
you know if this goes on uh where do

784
00:28:44,029 --> 00:28:41,279
they get the money to finance all this

785
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,039
stuff well very simply either they're

786
00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:46,559
selling arms they're selling drugs

787
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,779
a lot a lot of this business about you

788
00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:51,120
know having uh the spec ops and they get

789
00:28:54,590 --> 00:28:53,159
these unlimited amounts of money they're

790
00:28:56,570 --> 00:28:54,600
not coming it's not coming from the

791
00:28:58,610 --> 00:28:56,580
government Coffer it's coming from

792
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:58,620
running drugs or weapons